Tuesday, October 05, 2004
VP DEBATE
By Tweed
My initial reaction to this debate was - Edwards won. Not because he kicked Cheney ass, but because he stood toe-to-toe with the Prince of Darkness and did not wilt (and scored some good points). Here are some interesting things I caught:
1. Cheney talked about the AIDS epidemic in terms of macroeconomics. He did! He talked about how awful it was in Africa that because so many workers had died there were not enough people to fill all the jobs. It was like he thought people were steel girders with hair-line cracks making them useless for their intended economic purpose. E-V-I-L D-U-D-E.
2. Cheney suggested that there was something untoward in Edwards setting up a sub chapter S corporation. Holy Crap! Before around 2000, most small business owners - the ones he pointed out that create all those jobs - who wanted to avoid corporate taxes formed S corporations. So what. . . . Cheney wants to do away with sub S corporations? He wants to penalize those small business owners? Not only that, when he talked about small business owners who have personal income of over $200,000 because of the way they're set up - they're flow-through entities, like sub S corporations! I guess you can only engage in tax planning if you're a republican.
3. According to real-time polling of mostly undecided voters set up by CNN, Cheney got his best scores talking about how he believed that people should have the ability to do what they want and how he thought gay marriage should be a state issue. Holy Crap! He got his best score when stating a posititon contrary to his administration's position! Holy Crap!
4. Jeff Greenfield had the balls to state on CNN that he thought it was ridiculous to have campaign spokesmen talk about how their candidates did after a debate - that it brings absolutely nothing to the table and that the practice should be abolished. He also offered $100 for any campaign to say that their candidate did a bad job. Where are those enterprising republicans when you need them?
5. Cheney showed some real class there, however. He must have been great in summer stock. Although I thought it was a stupid and cheap shot to say he never met Edwards in the Senate. Why would he ever? Edwards should have said "Yeah, I saw you a couple of times, but I didn't want to disturb you because you seemed very involved in a discussion with Pat Leahy."
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By Tweed
My initial reaction to this debate was - Edwards won. Not because he kicked Cheney ass, but because he stood toe-to-toe with the Prince of Darkness and did not wilt (and scored some good points). Here are some interesting things I caught:
1. Cheney talked about the AIDS epidemic in terms of macroeconomics. He did! He talked about how awful it was in Africa that because so many workers had died there were not enough people to fill all the jobs. It was like he thought people were steel girders with hair-line cracks making them useless for their intended economic purpose. E-V-I-L D-U-D-E.
2. Cheney suggested that there was something untoward in Edwards setting up a sub chapter S corporation. Holy Crap! Before around 2000, most small business owners - the ones he pointed out that create all those jobs - who wanted to avoid corporate taxes formed S corporations. So what. . . . Cheney wants to do away with sub S corporations? He wants to penalize those small business owners? Not only that, when he talked about small business owners who have personal income of over $200,000 because of the way they're set up - they're flow-through entities, like sub S corporations! I guess you can only engage in tax planning if you're a republican.
3. According to real-time polling of mostly undecided voters set up by CNN, Cheney got his best scores talking about how he believed that people should have the ability to do what they want and how he thought gay marriage should be a state issue. Holy Crap! He got his best score when stating a posititon contrary to his administration's position! Holy Crap!
4. Jeff Greenfield had the balls to state on CNN that he thought it was ridiculous to have campaign spokesmen talk about how their candidates did after a debate - that it brings absolutely nothing to the table and that the practice should be abolished. He also offered $100 for any campaign to say that their candidate did a bad job. Where are those enterprising republicans when you need them?
5. Cheney showed some real class there, however. He must have been great in summer stock. Although I thought it was a stupid and cheap shot to say he never met Edwards in the Senate. Why would he ever? Edwards should have said "Yeah, I saw you a couple of times, but I didn't want to disturb you because you seemed very involved in a discussion with Pat Leahy."
